CatNamedRudy wrote:High Holidays (the uncut version) is my favorite.
Patrick wrote:CatNamedRudy wrote:High Holidays (the uncut version) is my favorite.
What part has been cut?
Patrick wrote:CatNamedRudy wrote:High Holidays (the uncut version) is my favorite.
What part has been cut?
CatNamedRudy wrote:Patrick wrote:CatNamedRudy wrote:High Holidays (the uncut version) is my favorite.
What part has been cut?
There's a lot of lines cut in the syndication version including the best line of the entire episode; "fridge pants".
PistolPoet wrote:I actually quite liked Mary Christmas. I like all Christmas episodes, especially the ones with Martin's "light decorating touch", though I did think Miracle on Third or Fourth Street should have shown Frasier somehow repaying the men during the closing credits. And I hate RDWRER, it's gimmicky and looks forced to me.
Patrick wrote:PistolPoet wrote:I actually quite liked Mary Christmas. I like all Christmas episodes, especially the ones with Martin's "light decorating touch", though I did think Miracle on Third or Fourth Street should have shown Frasier somehow repaying the men during the closing credits. And I hate RDWRER, it's gimmicky and looks forced to me.
I think RDWRER would have been better (or less bad) If Daphne were part of the trip as she was the first time they traveled in a Winnebago "Travels With Martin".
PistolPoet wrote:I'd like to know why so many people seem to hate Room Full of Heroes . Apart from Daphne's terrible costume (but appropriate for Elton John, I suppose), I liked it. I love Roz in it, especially when she decides to explain why Wonder Woman is her hero. Frasier overreacts when they don't want to play his game, but he's a drama queen anyway. The cowboy kid he meets in the hall is adorable and a decent actor. Yes, you can say that Niles was out of character drinking all that beer and making a mess of things, but I still thought it was understandable.
CatNamedRudy wrote:I love Room Full of Heroes. Patrick is one of the few people I know that dislikes Martin in it. Most people (notably Mickeba) dislike Niles in it.
Patrick wrote:I am not a big fan of Martin in general. I think that Frasier and Niles for all they faults are much better persons than Martin. Take for example that time when Martin helps that politician that Frasier said was like Himmler without the whimsy. If that's not telling of the kind of person he is then I don't know what is.
PistolPoet wrote:Patrick wrote:I am not a big fan of Martin in general. I think that Frasier and Niles for all they faults are much better persons than Martin. Take for example that time when Martin helps that politician that Frasier said was like Himmler without the whimsy. If that's not telling of the kind of person he is then I don't know what is.
Sure, but that was in season 2. I think actually Martin is the character who undergoes the most profound change during the show. Daphne's character change may be the most visible, but I know the sort of person that Martin is (my own dad is similar), and I know the amount of effort it takes for people like him to change. You see him go from a grumpy, unrefined, bitter man who can't express emotions to a guy who actually hugs his sons and kisses them, who has meaningful conversations with them, who's willing to compromise and learn from them, who says "objet d'art" in A Tsar is Born!
Which is why I find it sad that the writers sometimes revert to the Martin from the beginning of the show for comic effect. For example, once (don't remember which episode, but it was late in the show) Martin says only Hitler and Sybil should ever go to therapy, when we know his opinion about psychology had changed and that he'd used psychological arguments himself a few times when talking to Frasier.
PistolPoet wrote:I'd like to know why so many people seem to hate Room Full of Heroes . Apart from Daphne's terrible costume (but appropriate for Elton John, I suppose), I liked it. I love Roz in it, especially when she decides to explain why Wonder Woman is her hero. Frasier overreacts when they don't want to play his game, but he's a drama queen anyway. The cowboy kid he meets in the hall is adorable and a decent actor. Yes, you can say that Niles was out of character drinking all that beer and making a mess of things, but I still thought it was understandable.
CatNamedRudy wrote:I love Room Full of Heroes. Patrick is one of the few people I know that dislikes Martin in it. Most people (notably Mickeba) dislike Niles in it.
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