Moon-Crane wrote:
On a slightly lighter note, it strikes me as amusing that liberals are classed as wishy washy ditherers who sit on the fence over any opinion, yet are then always then beaten with the stick that they are so staunch in their supposed self-loathing, anti-American attitudes
You say "only aggressive anti-liberalism such as I practice... can hope to stop this runaway train..." - yet i don't agree with it and would voice my disagreement of any such stance, and i'm not aggressively anti-liberal, you'll certainly agree. I know you're saying not all people are like this, but I think i'm far from a minority in this way, so I don't think the picture's so bleak as you seem to paint it?
Moving slightly off the point. Christmas is closing in, and we'll soon be hearing a number of newspapers and presenters, in the UK, using scare tactics about the actions of 'loony liberals' in various councils and organisations. There'll be shock headlines about how they're trying to take away our festive occasion, to 'avoid offence to non-Christians' and other such nonsense. Politically correct crusaders may well be loony, but they're just just not liberal at all, in my terms of the word.
Well, liberals (if they are truly liberal on these issues) are wishy-washy in terms of things like cultural relativism, recognition (or admission) of right and wrong, recognition or admission of superiority/inferiority, and law enforcement. Things like that. One thing liberals are not wishy-washy on - i.e are quite illiberal about, however, is their aggressive attempts at social engineering on behalf of their 'progressive' agenda and anti-conservative behavior. Many American university campuses still prohibit ROTC (Reserve Officer's Training Corps for military officers) from operating on their campus. Real fidelity to their professed ideal of 'diversity', huh? What are they afraid of? Well anyway, I hope that clears up any confusion from perceived inconsistencies in Rightwing views of modern liberals.
Certainly here in the U.S the so called 'Progressives' with the uber-secular agenda have been trying to secularize Christmas.
MC, it seems we don't share common definitions of 'Liberal'. If you don't think Progressives with a secularizing agenda are Liberal - then I just can't see your point. And political correctness, at least here in the U.S, has been an overwhelmingly liberal phenomenon for a long time.