JT wrote:I am not comparing universities to the Neo Nazis or Black Panthers.
No, i didn't think you were. Nor was i considering only those groups in a list of less tolerant institutions.
JT wrote:Come on now. Don't be silly. Surely, I shouldn't have to show you or anyone else a case where a neo nazi group tried to establish chapters on college campuses to illustrate the bias and hypocrisy. This should be plainly obvious. I can't understand why so many liberals demand such 'proof' before they accept the clearly obvious.
Thanks for the condescension, that's nice selective editing. I said it probably wasn't illegal to set one up, but that it likely
would in fact receive a lot of criticism and protest. i stand by that. If you can show me it is actually illegal to set up such a group then i'll retract my statement. Not sure how me saying that implies any denial, acceptance or defence of anything.
JT wrote:But too often if the racist group isn't white, they aren't called out and ridiculed out of existence. In the MeCha case its taken to a ridiculous level. Evidently within the diverse, open-minded and tolerant university culture these are just young Hispanics trying to find themselves amidst the hegemonic white European oppression. Never mind their motto is "For the race, everything, outside the race, nothing" ("Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada"). Or they proclaim "we are a bronze people with a bronze culture–before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation–we are Aztlán." Diversity. ha. Or another similar illustration, how about the supposed main-stream organization National Council of La Raza? La Raza? Which by charter is 'focused on improving opportunities for Hispanics.' What if I wanted to start an organization called the 'National Council of The Race' with the charter 'to improve opportunities for Anglos'? Come on now.
I'm not quite sure what you think i'm saying about the point your making to tell me to come on, but, If you think there aren't exclusively 'white' groups in private colleges and certain universities then come on now yourself. I dislike racism of any nature. It's all pretty limiting from people of any races. White people (ok, men) do enjoy privilege though, and, no, that's not 'self-loathing' (not saying you'll play that card but it's a standard retort to such claims), it's a fact of life in our countries. We take advantage of it, consciously and unconsciously and get on with things.
But, to make it 100% clear. If this group you talk about are racist, then i'd direct a great big 'fuck off' to them, and would be willing to stand by your side to face up to them and publicly dissent, criticise and take apart their racist policies. There's no need for it. There's a difference between asking for equality and advocating a kind of reverse racism.
JT wrote:You have absolutely got to be kidding me? Why is this so hard for you? They are tolerant and diverse in one direction only. The only direction they tolerate. That by definition is intolerance and non-diversity. This should be readily apparent.
It's ok, if true, you have the Republican party that's equally as diverse and tolerant in the opposite direction.
I simply disagree that universities and colleges are intolerant institutions (or anti-white), based on my own gathered evidence. Why is that so incredulous? I'm subscribed to medical and scientific blogs run by US scientific university professors as part of the fight against woowoo medicine and the teaching of bad science. One's PZ Meyers. I wouldn't call him intolerant and non-diverse (ok, he is intolerant to religious bullshit) - unless you class him as 'anti-white male' simply by being an outspoken advocate of equal rights for women and supporter of the feminist movement? (some do) Many of these science professors probably are what you'd disparagingly call liberal, but they just want to teach the scientific facts and get people to think critically in a scientific manner. I'd hold these teachers up as examples of colleges and universities not being places of indoctrination and intolerance - unless it's attempted indoctrination for thinking in a critical, scientific, manner or intolerance of bad science.
JT wrote:Again, you have got to be absolutely kidding me. I majored in computer science. I stayed out of the stupid zoo - the prevailing political and social culture. Stayed away from dumb ass History, Political Science, Sociology, Ethnic Studies people. Stayed away from campus protests and politically oriented groups. How can one really think that my survival proves that they are not overwhelmingly activist and liberal in culture.
No, not your survival - everybody's survival. Everyone comes out of education the way they want to come out of it. I don't believe this for a second, but i'd get the impression you must be fairly weak-minded if you think the only way to keep hold of your beliefs was to avoid those other perceived educational danger zones.
I've had to put up with family members being devout catholics. i can go into churches and listen to dumbass preachers without being 'turned' by their lies. I have in-laws that immerse me in their own cultural superstitions and what-have-you. I don't need to actively avoid that, or anything with which I disagree, to save my mind from corruption.
In relation to your point about the intolerance of educational institutions. While you're mainly talking in racial terms above, intolerance, to me, also includes the predominantly Republican leaning contingent that fights to oppress scientific fact (creationism over evolution, the creation and age models of the earth/universe, climate change denial, etc) along with the fight against personal equal human rights (personal choice of the individual over their own body, sexual preference, gender equality, etc). If you don't believe that's mainly the realm of the 'Right' then it's your turn to need to 'come on now'. For a group of people who want less government interference in people's lives for business, healthcare, welfare, taxes, etc, Republican supporters sure want to interfere a hell of a lot in their personal lives.
Sorry to kid you into so much disbelief. Keep calling me a liberal if you wish. It's actually not a dirty word, no matter how you, and some others, try to twist it as so.