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Joe Keenan - Best Writer?

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Joe Keenan - Best Frasier Writer?

Postby Cake for Brains » Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:11 pm

This poll is pretty much the same as the one I started a while ago asking if Season 4 was the best Frasier season.

Simple question - is Joe Keenan the best writer on the Frasier staff? He's genuinely regarded, largely down to his farces, as the favourite scriptwriter on the show, so I thought it'd be interesting to see if the poll reflected this.

For two years now, I've championed Christopher Lloyd over him, but I've been watching a lot of 'Frasier' over the last month, after a spell of feeling very bored of it, and I've found myself finding Keenan's episodes even funnier now than I ever did. I've been watching them to go to sleep with every night, and I've found myself laughing out loud - which is a rarity for me. His farce episodes are amazing, but he also wrote all the best Bebe episodes and pretty much shaped her character.

So yep, I think he's the best writer on 'Frasier'. :)
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Postby CatNamedRudy » Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:04 pm

It is close between he and Christopher Lloyd but yes.

Too, I would say Kelsey is the best Frasier director.
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Postby Seek_Help_from_an_M.D. » Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:24 am

CatNamedRudy wrote:It is close between he and Christopher Lloyd but yes.

Too, I would say Kelsey is the best Frasier director.


Yeah, I really like Joe Keenan and Chris Lloyd. I know that I really liked David Angell's scripts for Cheers.

Actually Kelsey did a really great job at directing. Him and James Burrows are probably my favorites.

I haven't voted yet because I can't decide if he is or isn't, though I am inclined to say he is. Actually, I talked myself into it, I am goin' to go with yes.
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Postby Mr Blue Sky » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:05 pm

Yes. By a country mile.
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Postby Cake for Brains » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:08 pm

Beer Necessity wrote:Yes. By a country mile.


I used to think he was a bit overrated, but I've seen the light...

'The Ski Lodge' is now my favourite episode.
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Postby Paul B » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:12 pm

Yep, definitely. Not just for Frasier either.
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Postby Moon-Crane » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:43 pm

I'd tend to lean towards yes :)
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Postby Cake for Brains » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:14 pm

Pretty one-sided poll! :)

I wonder if Joe's reading this?
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Postby Bad Ambassador » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:39 pm

Yes! He understood the show and the characters so well.

Cake for Brains wrote:.'The Ski Lodge' is now my favourite episode.


Strangely, that's one episode of Frasier - along with 'Ham Radio' - that I consider a bit overrated!
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Postby Cake for Brains » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:46 pm

Bad Ambassador wrote:Yes! He understood the show and the characters so well.

Cake for Brains wrote:.'The Ski Lodge' is now my favourite episode.


Strangely, that's one episode of Frasier - along with 'Ham Radio' - that I consider a bit overrated!


Well, it's either 'The Ski Lodge' or 'High Holidays' :wink:
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Postby Moon-Crane » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:15 pm

Bad Ambassador wrote:Yes! He understood the show and the characters so well.

Cake for Brains wrote:.'The Ski Lodge' is now my favourite episode.


Strangely, that's one episode of Frasier - along with 'Ham Radio' - that I consider a bit overrated!


I tend to agree. Both very, very good, but not in my very top episodes.
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Postby CatNamedRudy » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:17 pm

Moon-Crane wrote:
Bad Ambassador wrote:Yes! He understood the show and the characters so well.

Cake for Brains wrote:.'The Ski Lodge' is now my favourite episode.


Strangely, that's one episode of Frasier - along with 'Ham Radio' - that I consider a bit overrated!


I tend to agree. Both very, very good, but not in my very top episodes.


I would put The Ski Lodge ahead of Ham Radio but I'm not sure if either of them would be in my top 10. I'd have to think on that.
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Postby Dorset Girl » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:12 pm

CatNamedRudy wrote:I would put The Ski Lodge ahead of Ham Radio but I'm not sure if either of them would be in my top 10. I'd have to think on that.


Ski Lodge would be in my top ten, Ham Radio would be in my bottom ten!

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Postby CatNamedRudy » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:20 pm

I was just checking to see who wrote my top 5 episodes and Joe Keenan actually only wrote one of them. (The Adventures of Bad Boy and Dirty Girl) Two of them are Ken Levine and David Isaac's episodes.
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Postby Bad Ambassador » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:33 pm

Cake for Brains wrote:Well, it's either 'The Ski Lodge' or 'High Holidays' :wink:


Oh Christ - it's definitely 'The Ski Lodge' then! :)
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Postby Cake for Brains » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:46 pm

Bad Ambassador wrote:
Cake for Brains wrote:Well, it's either 'The Ski Lodge' or 'High Holidays' :wink:


Oh Christ - it's definitely 'The Ski Lodge' then! :)


:) Actually, it's 'Frasier's Curse'. Best of the best.
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Postby Bad Ambassador » Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:36 am

Cake for Brains wrote: :) Actually, it's 'Frasier's Curse'. Best of the best.


That's true - it's a damn sight better than 'High Holidays', anyway! :)
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Postby Stratman » Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:39 am

Nope.
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Postby Cake for Brains » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:29 am

Stratman wrote:Nope.


Who's your favourite writer?
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Postby Cake for Brains » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:39 am

Bad Ambassador wrote:
Cake for Brains wrote: :) Actually, it's 'Frasier's Curse'. Best of the best.


That's true - it's a damn sight better than 'High Holidays', anyway! :)


'High Holidays' is currently ranked as the 2nd best episode on the Review section! :P
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Postby Agides » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:42 am

I was on course to hit the 'yes' button but I thought I would look up the writer for my favourite episodes in each season, just out of interest. Whilst Joe Keenan's name crops up a few times, he is by no means the one who appears the most.

So, on that (fair) basis I had to vote 'no'. :shock: :oops:
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Postby Stratman » Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:06 pm

Cake for Brains wrote:
Stratman wrote:Nope.


Who's your favourite writer?


Rob Greenberg. What tipped it for me was that Joe was instrumental in the suckiness of season eight, plus he repeated himself twice.
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Postby Cake for Brains » Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:16 pm

Stratman wrote:
Cake for Brains wrote:
Stratman wrote:Nope.


Who's your favourite writer?


Rob Greenberg. What tipped it for me was that Joe was instrumental in the suckiness of season eight, plus he repeated himself twice.


Is that with 'The Matchmaker' and 'The Doctor is Out'?

Rob Greenberg's great, so no problems there.
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Postby Stratman » Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:19 pm

Cake for Brains wrote:
Stratman wrote:
Cake for Brains wrote:
Stratman wrote:Nope.


Who's your favourite writer?


Rob Greenberg. What tipped it for me was that Joe was instrumental in the suckiness of season eight, plus he repeated himself twice.


Is that with 'The Matchmaker' and 'The Doctor is Out'?


''Out With Dad'' and TDIO, actually. I personally consider his second effort the difinitive Frasier farce so maybe his repeating was a good thing. He still turned the show to shit though...
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Postby Paul B » Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:25 pm

How was Joe Keenan "instrumental in the suckiness of season eight"? He left with a story he thought a team of competent writers could figure out. You can't blame him for being so talented that his leaving had a dire affect on the show.

IMO, Rob Greenberg wrote about 3 really shit episodes and 3 average ones - that's far worse than Keenan's track record.
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