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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:31 am
by welshben23
Cake for Brains wrote:Well, 'Fortysomething' is a horrendous episode, but for me the worst episode of the 'classic' era is 'Author, Author'. An out-of-character shambles of an episode, where the comedy comes completely from the character's insulting one another and acting like idiots. What a mess!


No, no, no, no NO! :shock:

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:32 am
by Cake for Brains
Nervosa wrote:"Dumm da dummm da dummm da dummmm....well some boys go to college, but we think they're all wussies...while they get all the knowledge, we get all the..dumm da dummm da dummm da dummmm"

That bit alone makes Author Author a gem for me!


That's the only bit that makes me laugh.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:33 am
by Cake for Brains
welshben23 wrote:
Cake for Brains wrote:Well, 'Fortysomething' is a horrendous episode, but for me the worst episode of the 'classic' era is 'Author, Author'. An out-of-character shambles of an episode, where the comedy comes completely from the character's insulting one another and acting like idiots. What a mess!


No, no, no, no NO! :shock:


YES! :P

I don't get the love for AA. What do people find to like about it?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:58 am
by Moon-Crane
Cake for Brains wrote:I don't get the love for AA. What do people find to like about it?


Well it's hilariously funny, and it seems to perfectly highlight the way that family can drive you round the bend.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:01 pm
by CatNamedRudy
Moon-Crane wrote:
Cake for Brains wrote:I don't get the love for AA. What do people find to like about it?


Well it's hilariously funny, and it seems to perfectly highlight the way that family can drive you round the bend.


Yep! Hysterically funny and a fantastic display of the brothers sibling rivalry!

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:15 pm
by ouroboros
Cake for Brains wrote:Well, 'Fortysomething' is a horrendous episode, but for me the worst episode of the 'classic' era is 'Author, Author'. An out-of-character shambles of an episode, where the comedy comes completely from the character's insulting one another and acting like idiots. What a mess!


[:]DRINK[/:] woo!

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:17 pm
by Bee Gees Fan
Cake for Brains wrote:I don't get the love for AA. What do people find to like about it?


Is this now your worst episode of the whole show, or are there still some episodes that you rate even lower?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:13 pm
by Cake for Brains
Bee Gees Fan wrote:
Cake for Brains wrote:I don't get the love for AA. What do people find to like about it?


Is this now your worst episode of the whole show, or are there still some episodes that you rate even lower?


Bottom five, definitely. Not sure if it's my absolute least favourite though.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:14 pm
by Cake for Brains
CatNamedRudy wrote:
Moon-Crane wrote:
Cake for Brains wrote:I don't get the love for AA. What do people find to like about it?


Well it's hilariously funny, and it seems to perfectly highlight the way that family can drive you round the bend.


Yep! Hysterically funny and a fantastic display of the brothers sibling rivalry!


Not one-zillionth as good as Shrink Rap though! :)

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:23 pm
by Bad Ambassador
'Fortysomething' for me. Not helped by the horrendous wooden performance of that crappy woman in it. I love season one, but this episode just stinks the place out.

I'll add my love for 'Author Author' here, too! Classic episode!

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:25 pm
by Cake for Brains
Hey BN, don't do a 'Fan Dividers' poll for Author, Author - I don't think I could cope with all the love it would get!

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:36 pm
by CatNamedRudy
I'm still trying to figure out what Cakey thinks is OOC.

The boys arguing and fighting with each other is certainly not out of character. Certainly they do that in Shrink Rap. Frasier THROWS A PLANT THROUGH A WINDOW! But yet, you don't find that out of character?

The whole you stole my mommy thing is not out of character either as that was always a bone of contention between them. In fact, for a first season episode, I think Author, Author does quite a good job of setting up future episodes. Certainly Shrink Rap being one of the better ones.

The fact that a lot of the comedy comes from sarcastic and nasty comments is a valid point and I can understand if you use that as a reason for your dislike. (I disagree but I understand) but not the OOC reasoning.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:39 pm
by Bad Ambassador
CatNamedRudy wrote:Frasier THROWS A PLANT THROUGH A WINDOW!


Actually, you're right there - I find that more 'out of character' than anything in 'Author Author'. I still love it though! Everyone snaps from time to time...

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:40 pm
by Bee Gees Fan
Cake for Brains wrote:Bottom five, definitely. Not sure if it's my absolute least favourite though.


It's quite amazing how low it's gone - there was a time when you really liked it, wasn't there?

It's not one of my favourites, but I did enjoy it.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:42 pm
by Bee Gees Fan
CatNamedRudy wrote: The fact that a lot of the comedy comes from sarcastic and nasty comments is a valid point and I can understand if you use that as a reason for your dislike. (I disagree but I understand) but not the OOC reasoning.


But the characters could be quite sarcastic and nasty to each other in other episodes as well. It might have been done a bit too much in Author, Author but I don't see that as being out-of-character. Although, like you, I can see it would make Cakey dislike the episode.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:43 pm
by Bee Gees Fan
Bad Ambassador wrote:
CatNamedRudy wrote:Frasier THROWS A PLANT THROUGH A WINDOW!


Actually, you're right there - I find that more 'out of character' than anything in 'Author Author'.


I didn't think that was out of character, actually. Frasier has always seemed to me to be the sort of person that, when really pushed, can easily become extremely angry.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:45 pm
by ouroboros
CatNamedRudy wrote:Frasier THROWS A PLANT THROUGH A WINDOW!


Oh that's hysterical plus I love the whole

Niles: "Are you mad?!"

Frasier: "If I were Doctor you'd never know it!"

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:48 pm
by Cake for Brains
CatNamedRudy wrote:I'm still trying to figure out what Cakey thinks is OOC.

The boys arguing and fighting with each other is certainly not out of character. Certainly they do that in Shrink Rap. Frasier THROWS A PLANT THROUGH A WINDOW! But yet, you don't find that out of character?

The whole you stole my mommy thing is not out of character either as that was always a bone of contention between them. In fact, for a first season episode, I think Author, Author does quite a good job of setting up future episodes. Certainly Shrink Rap being one of the better ones.

The fact that a lot of the comedy comes from sarcastic and nasty comments is a valid point and I can understand if you use that as a reason for your dislike. (I disagree but I understand) but not the OOC reasoning.


I think it's OOC because...

All of the central characters (particularly Frasier, Niles and Roz) seemed to be continually sniping at one another, and in some scenes they came across as being very unlikeable. Here are a couple of instances:

(After their hilarious 'some boys go to college' song, Frasier agrees to help write the book and Niles yells: 'YESSS!', which seemed a tad unlikely in the earlier seasons, because Niles wasn't like that.

Frasier and Niles were so eager to make fun at Martin (when he's wearing the headphones) that some of their comments sounded a tad malicious.
Frasier: Hey Dad, nice shirt! What did they throw that in the last time you had your tyres rotated?

Martin: So, who wants a beer?
Frasier: Just you

Niles: I think it's borderline sleezy, let's go for it!

Roz (talking about Niles): And I'm not taking any of his crapola

Niles: That was my radio persona. Every great radio personality has one,
Frasier: I don't
Niles: Mu point exactly

Frasier: Niles, I would shave my head for you
Niles: A gesture which becomes less meaningful with each passing year

Frasier: Well I said it was interesting, but I guess the task that lays ahead of us is to decide whether or not we want an interesting opening sentence or a good one.

Frasier: What was that crap about boundaries!

Frasier: And that reference to the Lenon reference is from the freakin' moon? (Not really the refined language Frasier is known for)

Frasier and Niles using physical violence to settle their differences.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:48 pm
by CatNamedRudy
ouroboros wrote:
CatNamedRudy wrote:Frasier THROWS A PLANT THROUGH A WINDOW!


Oh that's hysterical plus I love the whole

Niles: "Are you mad?!"

Frasier: "If I were Doctor you'd never know it!"


Niles "ARE YOU INSANE?"

I do love that line! Shrink Rap is one of those episodes that has moved up higher on my list with repeated viewings!

I love Frasier with the bathroom key in his hand "Right here buddy boy!"

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:49 pm
by Bee Gees Fan
Cake for Brains wrote:All of the central characters (particularly Frasier, Niles and Roz) seemed to be continually sniping at one another, and in some scenes they came across as being very unlikeable. Here are a couple of instances:

(After their hilarious 'some boys go to college' song, Frasier agrees to help write the book and Niles yells: 'YESSS!', which seemed a tad unlikely in the earlier seasons, because Niles wasn't like that.

Frasier and Niles were so eager to make fun at Martin (when he's wearing the headphones) that some of their comments sounded a tad malicious.
Frasier: Hey Dad, nice shirt! What did they throw that in the last time you had your tyres rotated?

Martin: So, who wants a beer?
Frasier: Just you

Niles: I think it's borderline sleezy, let's go for it!

Roz (talking about Niles): And I'm not taking any of his crapola

Niles: That was my radio persona. Every great radio personality has one,
Frasier: I don't
Niles: Mu point exactly

Frasier: Niles, I would shave my head for you
Niles: A gesture which becomes less meaningful with each passing year

Frasier: Well I said it was interesting, but I guess the task that lays ahead of us is to decide whether or not we want an interesting opening sentence or a good one.

Frasier: What was that crap about boundaries!

Frasier: And that reference to the Lenon reference is from the freakin' moon? (Not really the refined language Frasier is known for)

Frasier and Niles using physical violence to settle their differences.


I actually don't think any of those quotes were out of character - maybe excepting Niles' joke about Frasier losing his hair.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:51 pm
by ouroboros
CatNamedRudy wrote:Niles "ARE YOU INSANE?"


Oops you're quite right.

CatNamedRudy wrote:I love Frasier with the bathroom key in his hand "Right here buddy boy!"


Oh yeah :lol: I'd forgotten about that! Must re watch it tonight.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:53 pm
by Moon-Crane
Cake for Brains wrote:
Bee Gees Fan wrote:
Cake for Brains wrote:I don't get the love for AA. What do people find to like about it?


Is this now your worst episode of the whole show, or are there still some episodes that you rate even lower?


Bottom five, definitely. Not sure if it's my absolute least favourite though.


Worse than:

Trophy Girlfriend, Love Stinks, Junior Agent, Some Assembly Required, Kissing Cousin, A Day in May

to name 6?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:55 pm
by ouroboros
Author, Author is just icky.

And that's the end of my water tight argument.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:55 pm
by Moon-Crane
Cake for Brains wrote:
CatNamedRudy wrote:I'm still trying to figure out what Cakey thinks is OOC.

The boys arguing and fighting with each other is certainly not out of character. Certainly they do that in Shrink Rap. Frasier THROWS A PLANT THROUGH A WINDOW! But yet, you don't find that out of character?

The whole you stole my mommy thing is not out of character either as that was always a bone of contention between them. In fact, for a first season episode, I think Author, Author does quite a good job of setting up future episodes. Certainly Shrink Rap being one of the better ones.

The fact that a lot of the comedy comes from sarcastic and nasty comments is a valid point and I can understand if you use that as a reason for your dislike. (I disagree but I understand) but not the OOC reasoning.


I think it's OOC because...

All of the central characters (particularly Frasier, Niles and Roz) seemed to be continually sniping at one another, and in some scenes they came across as being very unlikeable. Here are a couple of instances:

(After their hilarious 'some boys go to college' song, Frasier agrees to help write the book and Niles yells: 'YESSS!', which seemed a tad unlikely in the earlier seasons, because Niles wasn't like that.

Frasier and Niles were so eager to make fun at Martin (when he's wearing the headphones) that some of their comments sounded a tad malicious.
Frasier: Hey Dad, nice shirt! What did they throw that in the last time you had your tyres rotated?

Martin: So, who wants a beer?
Frasier: Just you

Niles: I think it's borderline sleezy, let's go for it!

Roz (talking about Niles): And I'm not taking any of his crapola

Niles: That was my radio persona. Every great radio personality has one,
Frasier: I don't
Niles: Mu point exactly

Frasier: Niles, I would shave my head for you
Niles: A gesture which becomes less meaningful with each passing year

Frasier: Well I said it was interesting, but I guess the task that lays ahead of us is to decide whether or not we want an interesting opening sentence or a good one.

Frasier: What was that crap about boundaries!

Frasier: And that reference to the Lenon reference is from the freakin' moon? (Not really the refined language Frasier is known for)

Frasier and Niles using physical violence to settle their differences.


All are things that happen in similar forms throughout plenty of other episodes, imho.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:59 pm
by CatNamedRudy
Cake for Brains wrote:
CatNamedRudy wrote:I'm still trying to figure out what Cakey thinks is OOC.

The boys arguing and fighting with each other is certainly not out of character. Certainly they do that in Shrink Rap. Frasier THROWS A PLANT THROUGH A WINDOW! But yet, you don't find that out of character?

The whole you stole my mommy thing is not out of character either as that was always a bone of contention between them. In fact, for a first season episode, I think Author, Author does quite a good job of setting up future episodes. Certainly Shrink Rap being one of the better ones.

The fact that a lot of the comedy comes from sarcastic and nasty comments is a valid point and I can understand if you use that as a reason for your dislike. (I disagree but I understand) but not the OOC reasoning.


I think it's OOC because...

All of the central characters (particularly Frasier, Niles and Roz) seemed to be continually sniping at one another, and in some scenes they came across as being very unlikeable. Here are a couple of instances:

(After their hilarious 'some boys go to college' song, Frasier agrees to help write the book and Niles yells: 'YESSS!', which seemed a tad unlikely in the earlier seasons, because Niles wasn't like that.

Frasier and Niles were so eager to make fun at Martin (when he's wearing the headphones) that some of their comments sounded a tad malicious.
Frasier: Hey Dad, nice shirt! What did they throw that in the last time you had your tyres rotated?

Martin: So, who wants a beer?
Frasier: Just you

Niles: I think it's borderline sleezy, let's go for it!

Roz (talking about Niles): And I'm not taking any of his crapola

Niles: That was my radio persona. Every great radio personality has one,
Frasier: I don't
Niles: Mu point exactly

Frasier: Niles, I would shave my head for you
Niles: A gesture which becomes less meaningful with each passing year

Frasier: Well I said it was interesting, but I guess the task that lays ahead of us is to decide whether or not we want an interesting opening sentence or a good one.

Frasier: What was that crap about boundaries!

Frasier: And that reference to the Lenon reference is from the freakin' moon? (Not really the refined language Frasier is known for)

Frasier and Niles using physical violence to settle their differences.


Interesting as I don't find any of that stuff out of character. Frasier and Niles make fun of Martin all the time. Roz makes fun of Frasier and Niles all the time. And Frasier and Niles sniping at each other? Constantly!

Frasier and Niles resorting to physical violence due to frustration, sleep deprivation and some alcohol (at least in Frasier's case) was certainly no OOC. They are brothers and they beat on each other! They beat on each other when they were young. And in later episodes. Recall Frasier beating Niles in the head with a pillow and physically throwing him into a snowbank in Four For the Seesaw. Recall them almost coming to blows in Shrink Rap. I'm sure I could find other times and I believe there is a scene in Mama Mia where we see a young Niles being picked on by a young Frasier. It's what brothers do. And just because they are adults, doesn't mean they don't still get on each others nerves now and again.

I'm going to get you past this OOC notion Cakey! If it's the last thing I do!!!!! :wink: