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Roz or Daphne?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:22 pm
by Frasier
Hello all,
One question, whom do you prefer Roz or Daphne?


I ask that you vote, not on their dispropotinate amount of time on air and on their own character developement. Rather Please vote on their Character, and solely their character. EG: Women: Who would be a better friend. Men: Which would you prefer to date(character-wise)? I know those are ridiculous examples, but they aid my point.

So please judge by their characters, and not to the importance of Frasier.
Thanks

:D

PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:22 pm
by Frasier
It's very difficult for me. But I think I'd warm to Roz better than would to Daphne :D

PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:56 pm
by Davey Boy
Now that's a toughie, give me some time and I'll get back to you!

PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:44 pm
by Bee Gees Fan
Um...

I think both of them are great. I think I'll go for Roz, but she only just gets my vote.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:51 pm
by Cake for Brains
If Daphne hadn't lost all her endearing qualities at the end of Season 7 it would have been a very hard decision - but as it stands, I went for Roz, although she was criminally underused in the later years.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:00 pm
by Paul B
Roz. I felt she and Martin were the only characters who didn't go downhill in the later years.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:05 pm
by Nervosa
For a 'date', I'd say early seasons' Daphne and latter seasons' Roz. I'll give Roz my vote I think.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:07 pm
by Stratman
I'm with Niles, Daphne was a goddess. She get's my vote.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:29 pm
by Wezzo
I really don't know.

Daphne is more instantly likeable as a character, but Roz was more consistently funny over the 11 years.

I won't vote yet.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:14 pm
by Frasier
Wezzo wrote:I really don't know.

Daphne is more instantly likeable as a character, but Roz was more consistently funny over the 11 years.

I won't vote yet.


Why would you say she's more instantly likable than Roz?

I seem to remember Daphne was pretty annoying at first, nevertheless what do you think?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:07 pm
by Amber
Daphne probably, I think Roz would be funnier to be around, but Daphne's more like me, quirky and odd ;)

PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:22 pm
by Frasier
Amber wrote:Daphne probably, I think Roz would be funnier to be around, but Daphne's more like me, quirky and odd ;)


Perhaps Delightfully quirky :lol:

PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:45 pm
by Wezzo
Frasier wrote:
Wezzo wrote:I really don't know.

Daphne is more instantly likeable as a character, but Roz was more consistently funny over the 11 years.

I won't vote yet.


Why would you say she's more instantly likable than Roz?

I seem to remember Daphne was pretty annoying at first, nevertheless what do you think?


I liked Daphne from the start of S1, and warmed to her faster. Quite eccentric and amusing. Roz I didn't like as much from the start, but gradually I warmed to her and she seemed to get funnier and funnier.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:31 pm
by me123
Daphne is funnier than Roz cos she's quirkier. But it's a close call. In the end, I went for Daph.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:24 pm
by Frasier
me123 wrote:Daphne is funnier than Roz cos she's quirkier. But it's a close call. In the end, I went for Daph.


Ah yes, she's funnier, but is her character better as a result?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:45 pm
by me123
Depends on the situations. As I've said, they are both equally good and equally underused characters. It' pretty much peronal preference in the end.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:24 pm
by Frasier
Yeah, I think you have a hierarchy of importance in Frasier that goes like this:


Frasier,

Niles Martin
Daphe
Roz
Others(and their hierarchies)

PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:22 am
by Mr Blue Sky
I'm a Daphne man myself, just in terms of how good a character she was. I find Roz's character a bit of a sitcom cliche, althout Peri plays the part exceptionally well.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:44 am
by Davey Boy
I have come to a decision and gone with Roz. Can't really explain why but I just think I'd rather meet her than Daphne.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:19 am
by Stratman
Beer Necessity wrote:I'm a Daphne man myself, just in terms of how good a character she was. I find Roz's character a bit of a sitcom cliche, althout Peri plays the part exceptionally well.


Agreed.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:57 am
by UrcubanQT
It is a tough call, because after watching these two women for 11 years, they almost become real people you would care about. I think after much deliberation, I must choose Daphne for one reason. Although Roz is a good friend, has a good heart, is humorous, and is one of those "pull you out of a rut" kind of friends...I don't like the fact that she was willing to sabotoge Daphne and Donny's relationship just because the two hadn't slept together yet (although, horray for the outcome because I was rooting for Niles anyway, although I do wish Roz could have had her fair chance at love)but...Daphne has a huge heart, is very loving, understanding, and never gave me any reason to doubt her loyalty. Plus, she's alot of fun. I can see the two of us playing darts or pool at one of her pubs or something. She also has kind of a similar family situation/upbringing, so I could always relate to her crazy family stuff. I think we could have been friends, whereas with Roz, I think I'd have to keep one eye open, and what is a friendship without trust?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:03 am
by Frasier
Beer Necessity wrote:I'm a Daphne man myself, just in terms of how good a character she was. I find Roz's character a bit of a sitcom cliche, althout Peri plays the part exceptionally well.


In what ways would you say Roz's character is a bit of a cliche?

Do you mean her feminist dismissive policies of men (sometimes) perhaps?

PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:07 pm
by Mr Blue Sky
Frasier wrote:
Beer Necessity wrote:I'm a Daphne man myself, just in terms of how good a character she was. I find Roz's character a bit of a sitcom cliche, althout Peri plays the part exceptionally well.


In what ways would you say Roz's character is a bit of a cliche?

Do you mean her feminist dismissive policies of men (sometimes) perhaps?


In simple terms, Roz's character is the promiscuous female, which makes her ideal fodder for innumerable sex-related jokes and innuendo.

I liked the development of her character in season 5. That was probably her strongest season; the pregnancy story arc gave Peri much more chance to show her range. She was particularly good in The Kid, I think.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:45 pm
by Stratman
Beer Necessity wrote:
Frasier wrote:
Beer Necessity wrote:I'm a Daphne man myself, just in terms of how good a character she was. I find Roz's character a bit of a sitcom cliche, althout Peri plays the part exceptionally well.


In what ways would you say Roz's character is a bit of a cliche?

Do you mean her feminist dismissive policies of men (sometimes) perhaps?


In simple terms, Roz's character is the promiscuous female, which makes her ideal fodder for innumerable sex-related jokes and innuendo.


Speaking from experience, that kind of character makes for a great, and very easy to acquire, gag per minute ratio.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:49 pm
by Mr Blue Sky
Stratman wrote:
Beer Necessity wrote:
Frasier wrote:
Beer Necessity wrote:I'm a Daphne man myself, just in terms of how good a character she was. I find Roz's character a bit of a sitcom cliche, althout Peri plays the part exceptionally well.


In what ways would you say Roz's character is a bit of a cliche?

Do you mean her feminist dismissive policies of men (sometimes) perhaps?


In simple terms, Roz's character is the promiscuous female, which makes her ideal fodder for innumerable sex-related jokes and innuendo.


Speaking from experience, that kind of character makes for a great, and very easy to acquire, gag per minute ratio.


I think it worked extremely well in Frasier. They wrote clever jokes too; not just the obvious ones.