CatNamedRudy wrote:If she should have been talking to anyone about it, it should have been Frank and she wasn't doing that either.
Eddie2012 wrote:I am not talking about 'obligations', just about what I think/hope I would have done, to both a friend or a lover. And if he was 'just her friend' or 'just a client' to her, it makes me question her feelings even more.CatNamedRudy wrote:If she should have been talking to anyone about it, it should have been Frank and she wasn't doing that either.
Does not make her 'vanishing' act any better though
Anyway, in my personal cinema they end up very happy together
Eddie2012 wrote:I don't like 'if she loved him she wouldnt move to Chicago' simply because it sounds too much like little woman follows big man. Frasier's show has come to an end and there is no reason for her to give up herjob, friends and family so he can pursue his dreams. What I would have expected though, whether as friends or potential lovers, is her telling him about her move earlier. And not just presenting him with the facts after raising his hopes, 'oh by the way, I am moving thousands of miles and nope, no long distance relationship either, thank you very much' (That's why I said earlier that she doesn't show real interest)
CatNamedRudy wrote:Amazing how two people can watch the same show and see completely opposite things.
DAMN wrote:...
It made me sad that Frasier was so desperate to get with someone that he gave up his San Francisco Job offer.And who knows if she wanted to even get back with him or maybe he saw her with another guy when he arrived there.
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Patrick wrote:DAMN wrote:...
It made me sad that Frasier was so desperate to get with someone that he gave up his San Francisco Job offer.And who knows if she wanted to even get back with him or maybe he saw her with another guy when he arrived there.
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I agree, Frasier's got his hopes up before, with catastrophic results at times.
Eddie2012 wrote:CatNamedRudy wrote:Amazing how two people can watch the same show and see completely opposite things.
Yep, takes you back to the Daphne-Niles-realationship-after-season-seven-discussions, doesn't it
DAMN wrote:Also it was never convincing at all.Daphne suddenly falling for him when she found out about Niles liking her...IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY,trust me I've experienced it.
DAMN wrote: Niles isn't convincing either...all the time it looks more like he lusts for her rather then he loves her...he sounds more serious when he's talking about Maris and you can notice that.
Eddie2012 wrote:Totally believable to fall in love with someone you had a platonic friendship with for years. Slightly less believable to fall in love with such someone out of the blue, but hey, why not. But what really bugs me is that she suddenly has these feelings after Frasier specifically told her that Niles is crazy about her .
(If I was a spiteful person I could even say she does not realizes unknown feelings, but rather that Niles might better marriage material than Donny. Oh, this really rich, decent man loves me - let's see if I can rustle up some more romantic feelings for him . But I am not a spiteful person, I do not see that in Daphne at all, but I can imagine other people might.)
No, the whole business does not sit well with me either. Too sudden, too drastic. If there had at least been a shred of a hint in previous episodes that she might like him as a man - perhaps. But not the way they did it (please no one mention Daphne hates Sherry, I don't take this (wonderful) episode as evidence that she had feelings for Niles, but simply that she was horny beyond redemption, and if another friend/acquaintance had conveniently been around, she might have gone to him).
Eddie2012 wrote:Interesting, never thought about it that way. Something to mull over on the sofa after a festive dinner .
DAMN wrote:...
On a somewhat relate note:Have you noticed that Maris is pretty much a Parody of Vera.....Norm's Wife from Cheers...who's never seen throughout the series
CatNamedRudy wrote:I believe we also see Vera in silhouette outside the bar.
Patrick wrote:Actually, even if we don't see Vera entirely, we once see her with her face covered with pie cream.
and here's the actress behind the pie:
Plus we hear Vera's voice at least half a dozen times on the show.
That's much more that can be said for Maris that we never see otherwise than as a vague shadow or covered with bandages like a mummy and that we never ever hear talk.
Patrick wrote:We see her legs and then we hear her cry. It was the episode where she was hired by John Allen Hill as a hatcheck-girl. He fires her because she spends all her time spying on Norm.
I had seen every episode of Cheers many times even before I saw a single one of Frasier, just as god intended.
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