Eddie2012 wrote:Plus speaking before an audience adds an element of acute tension to the whole thing
Anyway, I might watch the episode again tonight (haven't watched it for ages) as I can't remember what all the fuss about the 'spell his ass off' line was ... (because of 'ass'?, because Niles said it? Just because it is a dumb line cannot be the reason, as there are so many others in S9 )
Forever Jung wrote::twisted: I like the line because Niles is pissed off and tries to be badass, and fails miserably. "Spell his ass off" is not somthing you hear in many street fights
Like when Reggie the basketball player tries to give him a high five and Niles dithers saying "oh, I know this, it was steps", he's right out of his depth.
Patrick wrote:Eddie2012 wrote:Plus speaking before an audience adds an element of acute tension to the whole thing
Anyway, I might watch the episode again tonight (haven't watched it for ages) as I can't remember what all the fuss about the 'spell his ass off' line was ... (because of 'ass'?, because Niles said it? Just because it is a dumb line cannot be the reason, as there are so many others in S9 )
I think it's just something that Niles wouldn't have said but it was intended as a comical effect like when Woody on Cheers says something clever and the people around are taken aback. The thing is that here, it doesn't work, at least not as far as I am concerned.
CatNamedRudy wrote:It definitely doesn't work. It's painful.
Frasiertime wrote:Police Story
First time I've seen it since reading this:
Did you know that... the parents of Peri Gilpin, Jane Leeves, and David Hyde Pierce have made guest appearances on "Frasier"? David Hyde Pierce's father and Peri Gilpin and Jane Leeves' mothers are featured at the table sitting behind Martin, Frasier, and Maureen Cutler at McGinty's in the season 3 episode "Police Story."
You can see DHP's father right over Maureen's shoulder during most of the scene-white hair and glasses-looks very much like DHP, you can easily see the resemblance. The two mothers-one has white hair, the other brown-can't tell who each mother is.
I've always liked this episode, especially the scene in Nervosa when Martin tells Niles he's interested in Maureen.
hansenkd wrote:but I got the feeling through that whole episode that DHP couldn't believe he was being asked to read such tripe.
Eddie2012 wrote:hansenkd wrote:but I got the feeling through that whole episode that DHP couldn't believe he was being asked to read such tripe.
I asked that myself a lot during S8 and 9; in War of the Words especially during his ridiculous "the higher truth that is spelling" speech in the kitchen... Some here seem to find it funny, but I just felt embarrassed on DHP's behalf
Lilith Needs A Favour
Martin: Can you imagine? Lilith's and my kid would be brother to you and Niles AND Freddie (yes).
Frasier: What are you talking about?
Martin: And if you and Lilith got back together, you'd be his step-father and his brother (yes) and Niles would be your (step?)son and his own uncle.
Is this complete nonsense or am I missing something here?
Patrick wrote:Actually, he's right on all counts. Try to draw a family tree where one member belongs to two different generations and you'll see that because of the loop effect
Eddie2012 wrote:Patrick wrote:Actually, he's right on all counts. Try to draw a family tree where one member belongs to two different generations and you'll see that because of the loop effect
I tried... If Martin and Lilith got married, Niles would become Lilith's stepson. If they then divorced and Lilith remarried Frasier, then Niles would only be Frasier's (step)son and his own uncle IF he retrained this stepson status. Which he would not. And even if, then only towards Lilith. I think at least .
hansenkd wrote:OK--I'm posting in this thread because I talked about "Head Game" earlier. Well, I just refreshed my memory by watching "Hooping Cranes." Wow. There are continuity gaffes and then there is...this.
These two episodes simply cannot, in any possible way, be made to exist in the same universe. It can't be done. In HC, Niles is acting as if he never set foot in Key Arena when he had been a regular sideline VIP a mere four years prior. He doesn't know how long a basketball game lasts when he sat through several of them a mere four years prior. Dear God, if Daphne had been in the episode (it was one of the fat camp ones), would she have repeated all the same classical music metaphors she used in HG?
Furthermore, in the whole of Sonic fandom--or even the team staff, would not many, many people have realized that the dude who made the halfcourt shot was the SAME GUY who fixed the star player's head and had VIP courtside seating a MERE FOUR YEARS PRIOR?!?!?! Just. Wow. Even Frasier's wandering birthday doesn't hold a candle to this.
For this reason, I consider "Head Game" to be an alt-universe episode. It's funny and well-written, but it's just SO obvious that Niles was not meant to be the lead character, even if you don't know the real-life backstory to that.
I mentioned the embarrassing baggage associated with these episodes too, namely that the Sonics don't exist anymore. But what's even more disturbing is that I don't think you could find any other two episodes in the entire run of 264 that completely exclude each other from their respective narrative universes.
Patrick wrote:hansenkd wrote:OK--I'm posting in this thread because I talked about "Head Game" earlier. Well, I just refreshed my memory by watching "Hooping Cranes." Wow. There are continuity gaffes and then there is...this.
These two episodes simply cannot, in any possible way, be made to exist in the same universe. It can't be done. In HC, Niles is acting as if he never set foot in Key Arena when he had been a regular sideline VIP a mere four years prior. He doesn't know how long a basketball game lasts when he sat through several of them a mere four years prior. Dear God, if Daphne had been in the episode (it was one of the fat camp ones), would she have repeated all the same classical music metaphors she used in HG?
Furthermore, in the whole of Sonic fandom--or even the team staff, would not many, many people have realized that the dude who made the halfcourt shot was the SAME GUY who fixed the star player's head and had VIP courtside seating a MERE FOUR YEARS PRIOR?!?!?! Just. Wow. Even Frasier's wandering birthday doesn't hold a candle to this.
For this reason, I consider "Head Game" to be an alt-universe episode. It's funny and well-written, but it's just SO obvious that Niles was not meant to be the lead character, even if you don't know the real-life backstory to that.
I mentioned the embarrassing baggage associated with these episodes too, namely that the Sonics don't exist anymore. But what's even more disturbing is that I don't think you could find any other two episodes in the entire run of 264 that completely exclude each other from their respective narrative universes.
This is definitely the most outrageously contradictory two episodes of the entire run but how about other contradictions like Frasier's cat allergy that was nonexistent on Cheers became conveniently so extreme on It's Hard To Say Goodbye If You Won't Leave that they had to move the cat basket almost out of sight and then was gone again on season 11? How about the fact that Frasier with Diane was an accomplished skier (so much so that he got applauses from the locals) and became so much of a spastic on season 10th Fraternal Schwinns that he couldn't even ride a bike, not to mention that he said while breaking into the house on Deathtrap that it was like "riding a bicycle" to NILES of all people. One would think that one of them would have been stricken by the irony...
Moon-Crane wrote:Fair points with Niles's basketball knowledge/ability and the timeline of the episodes, but I still don't get how the Sonics not existing anymore is embarrassing baggage?
Eddie2012 wrote:...
Anyway, even if he had, he probably would have watched only Reggie and all the basketball speak, rules and timelines would most likely have gone in one ear and out the other. And I find 4 years a generous timeline to forget about stuff you weren't even remotely interested in to begin with. Maybe him forgetting a basic fact like the length of a game is a bit silly, but for me it definitely does not top factual errors like wandering birthdays or cat allergies coming and going .
CatNamedRudy wrote:I was thinking the same thing about how many games Niles actually attended during the Reggie thing. I don't think he went to many and for the most part, Reggie didn't want anyone knowing about the head rubbing ordeal so he never made it obvious. It wasn't like Niles was some big famous guy like Jack Nicholson who shows up at every Lakers game and sits in the front row. Niles went to one or two games and most likely had no clue what was going on.
Niles' lack of interest in sports is pretty consistent throughout the show. Frasier on the other hand seemed to enjoy sports on occasion during Cheers (having watched a few football games both at the bar and at Carla's house during the Thanksgiving episode) but was clueless by the time Frasier rolled around.
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